I have waited to post in this thread for a long time since I wanted to see if any of my questions would be answered before posting a rambling reply myself. But it seems that while they have been presented and (somewhat) discussed here, much of them remain unanswered. The interrogatory void has yet to be filled.
I apologize in advance that my English does not always cooperate with me, especially when writing posts in forums such as this one.
imslp wrote:... why do you believe you have the standing to comment on the need for paid staff, when you haven't contributed a single edit?
Why did you open a public discussion if you're not going to listen to anyone but yourself and Carl?
I completely agree with what KGill said here. I fail to understand the reasoning behind this "don't say anything if you haven't contributed any edits" position. I see that the "shame on you" and other comments are not constructive, but simply ignoring people who haven't contributed to IMSLP is equally not constructive. They may have valid points too, regardless of edit count. Instead of ignoring them based on edit count, look at what arguments they are trying to make, not at the teeth through which they make them.
Rob Peters wrote:
imslp wrote:I welcome thoughtful constructive criticism from users (I've responded at some length to e-mail discussions with non-contributor users), but just saying "shame on you" or "I don't know why you need paid staff, oh and by the way, fix this problem for me" (which is doubly ironic as the poster is apparently disinclined to contribute himself) is not too constructive I think.
There's a lot of constructive criticism by concerned users (yes, the ones with enough edits to their credit to make their voices worth listening to) that wasn't addressed properly yet. The pleads for financial transparency, the alternative ways of fundraising, the issues with CC licensed scores, the feelings of those hundreds of hard-working volunteers who feel insulted because you pretty much called them unreliable (in comparison to paid staff) in your last reply...
I'm not one of those (only have about 7000 edits to my name, which is peanuts compared to many of the best volunteers here) but I spend enough time here to feel a bit worried about both these radical changes in IMSLP policy and the lack of transparency thereabout.
^^ Likewise. I was astonished to see such a subscription plan put in place without (practically) any prior notice. If this discussion had been opened perhaps in October or November of 2015, however, and a similar banner requesting comments had been displayed then, I am sure you would have gotten a lot of the same feedback from users.
I still await a proper response regarding the financial transparency and alternate funding issues. Why do we users/contributors of IMSLP not have access to financial information? How are potential subscribers supposed to trust IMSLP to use their funds properly when there are no numbers presented whatsoever, and many people's trust of IMSLP as a community project has been breached with this unannounced subscription plan? Why weren't any other methods of funding even tried? For the 4+ years I've used IMSLP, I don't ever recall seeing a single banner or call for donations, except for the tiny PayPal donate button on the left. I am sure at least some donations would have come in if something more than "Donate" was said about donating. "Help IMSLP keep music alive!" or "Help us preserve the works of music from around the world" or something similar would have worked much better. Maybe this call for donations could have even been placed on a similar page to that used by the 15 second waiting period, minus the waiting period.
Again, why was there no prior discussion open to the public, or any attempts to seek donations on the scale of the subscription plan? Why have we been left in the dark?
Please do not respond with something along the lines of "The leader knows what's best for you," because that undermines the entire community effort here.
Thank you for agreeing with me. I never wanted to compare IMSLP and Wikipedia, other people did.
Thank you for your very constructive feedback, I will keep it in mind.
Thank you for proving my point.
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I sincerely hope you are not completely sidestepping the content
of the post to which you replied. In a broader sense, it is important for leaders (or administrators) to address the concerns of the community. If this is not done, the expectation of response broken, those unanswered community members can lose confidence in their leader and seek another.