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is removal of certain editing features enough?

Postby coulonnus » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:32 pm

I have a score by a ca. 1800 composer heavily edited in 1949 by an editor died in 1987. I am removing his fingerings, piano pedalling and ornament hints. This editor does not have Henle's Urtextness and I don't which slurs and staccato dots are his or those of his source. May I upload this score?

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Re: is removal of certain editing features enough?

Postby Carolus » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:03 am

You would need to be able to compare the original with the newer edition. Generally, things from ca.1800 don't include a lot of articulations, etc. as you probably know. However, there are exceptions, especially if the composer was a well-known teacher.

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Re: is removal of certain editing features enough?

Postby coulonnus » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:22 am

Thanks. We have some other Sonatas by http://imslp.org/wiki/Keyboard_Sonata_in_E_minor%2C_CzaR_16_(Rust%2C_Friedrich_Wilhelm)
scanned by Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin, but not this one. They have some dynamics or indication markings like the 1949 edition. So I can only make guesses.

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Re: is removal of certain editing features enough?

Postby Carolus » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:28 am

Looking at the ca.1792 mss, it appears that Rust may well have included slurs, articulations and even fingerings (a little unusual). There is a good chance that a fair number of those in the score you're working on originate from the composer. Did you try looking to see if the sonata you're interested in is present in Farrenc's Tresor des pianistes? Farrenc was generally fairly light-handed for a 19th century editor.

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Re: is removal of certain editing features enough?

Postby coulonnus » Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:33 am

The Sibley librarians scanned http://imslp.org/wiki/12_Keyboard_Sonatas_(Rust,_Friedrich_Wilhelm) at my request. There is this sonata with much less editing. :-)

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Re: is removal of certain editing features enough?

Postby Eric » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:03 am

are you referring to the edition of Rust's sonatas by his own grandson or something iirc? (The set that William Newman singled out in The Sonata Since Beethoven rather negatively if I recall for intrusiveness of editing, to the point (that Newman talked about how) the more recent Rust claimed protoRomanticisms for the sonatas that may have originated not in the source, but in the edits. It seemed a cautionary tale.)

(Ah right. Never mind!)

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Re: is removal of certain editing features enough?

Postby coulonnus » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:57 pm

Nope. Piano sonatas by early masters, "Revised, Edited, Fingered and Annotated by Leo Podolsky" (1891-1987). Publ info: New York, Carl Fischer inc, 1949. Plate 30588-22.

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Re: is removal of certain editing features enough?

Postby coulonnus » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:41 am

Perhaps http://imslp.org/wiki/Keyboard_Sonata_in_D_major,_CzaR_11_(Rust,_Friedrich_Wilhelm) wants more Misc. Notes and Comments about the Wilhelm Rust edition. :-) Also look at the last Sonata in the d'Indy collection of 12.

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Re: is removal of certain editing features enough?

Postby Carolus » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:34 pm

The manuscript added is the composer's actual holograph looking at the corresponding RISM record for it. So you now have all you need to determine what to remove.


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